18 June 2019
B
09:23
BLOC8
I can see what went wrong with BLOC8 URL. We put several URL's in the submission form and the person that created your dashboard hasn't checked validity. Our SCORE is effectively split over different URLS. Please get your team to set ours as https://BLOC8.app
DL
09:30
Daeki Lee
yes I will communicate that to the team
B
09:32
BLOC8
Thanks and please communicate that dev community is not happy that ICON is handing out ICX to scammers. Some devs have told me they will be moving to alternative blockchains with their projects.
09:35
We have submitted 3 GitHub pull requests so our token can be added to Android, iOS and Chrome extension. We also need the docker containers updating to reflect the BLOC8 token. Who is responsible in your team for docker updates?
DL
09:40
Daeki Lee
In reply to this message
yes we are aware and trying to catch duplicates with reasonable conclusion as quickly/much as possible
09:40
In reply to this message
I am probably not the right person to ask dev related questions - I think our dev telegram channel is probably a better place to ask that question
B
15:10
BLOC8
Think the time remaining on the dashboard is incorrect. ICON stated all times are KST in the challenge but website is taking it as midnight local time for users, not KST.
B
20:04
BLOC8
The scam websites I visited don't seem to have the required guidelines for using SCORE. ICON was very insistent that they were included when BLOC8 submitted their SCORE.
19 June 2019
DL
01:35
Daeki Lee
In reply to this message
will communicate to the team
01:36
In reply to this message
Can you specify what you mean by they are not following required guideline for SCORE? I think they have all audited that those SCOREs function correctly?
B
03:10
BLOC8
But the websites needs to include a SCORE usage guide and I didn't see any.
DL
03:17
Daeki Lee
I think we required it when you submit your project to ensure the ICON team follows how SCORE works for the service - I don't think you necessarily need to include it on the frontend website
B
03:21
BLOC8
Rules say must be included.
DL
03:23
Daeki Lee
Are you referring to this rule: On the front page, you should be able to run SCORE on the first page to know what services are running and how they are running?
03:23
I think it means being able to run SCORE, not necessarily having an instruction?
B
03:26
BLOC8
See row 13 item 6 of challenge FAQ. "A brief introduction to the service (UI usage etc)".
03:31
But the main reason you must disqualify them is that one person is running dozens of SCORE's. Rules are clear, one application per team.
03:33
ICON might give this one individual 300K ICX and this is not acceptable.
DL
07:40
Daeki Lee
I think we are back to the drawing board - but other than the file directory, do you have a suggestion on what evidence we can conclude that one person is running dozens of SCOREs?
07:41
We are internally brainstorming different ideas by the way
B
07:42
BLOC8
We received an automated email yesterday from ICON which we presume was part of the challenge validation. Has the scammer's email addresses responded? Do you have the IP addresses for when the scammer submitted their applications?
DL
07:44
Daeki Lee
I am not sure, but I think we are in the process of checking
B
07:49
BLOC8
I have provided ICON with this hash https://tracker.icon.foundation/transaction/0x2db30605cf8353ceee959a84921e4de8abcffb52f1581a781bd1df63cd9dca2e It shows the scammer transferring ICX between two hx addresses associated with his SCORE's. This is clear proof that he is running at least 50 SCORE's.
DL
08:11
Daeki Lee
I know it is unlikley and we actually confronted them with those data points, but the scammer suspects have responded that they are in the same blockchain club under an instructor, and the instructor distributed all the ICX to the club members
08:12
Very unlikely, but at the same time, we don't have the exact proof that those are duplicates 🙁
08:12
Trying to come up with definitive ways to confirm that they are indeed duplicates
B
08:14
BLOC8
Have you asked for details of this "blockchain club"? Even if there was a club the instructor would have got them to make one submission. Must be a big club for 50 to apply. You need instructor details and if they refuse to provide details they can be disqualified.
DL
08:16
Daeki Lee
I think we didn't move forward with asking more details because some people may want privacy, etc. and we don't want to be direspectful there
B
08:19
BLOC8
They gave up their right to privacy by sending 50 applications from one GitHub rep. Real devs are going to be very unhappy if you continue to pay this scammer. Just inform him you have reviewed the quality of the site(s), which are trash, and remove his SCORE's.
DL
08:20
Daeki Lee
yes we are discussing potential reasons/approaches to punish duplicates - more options that you can suggest, better!
B
08:43
BLOC8
Did the scammer indicate if it's a physical club or if it's internet based? If it's physical and was done under guidance from an instructor they would all be from one domain, not .ml, .ga, .tk etc. Also scammer has used https://www.freenom.com/en/index.html?lang=en to register all the domains even though they are supposed to be for .ml, .ga and .tk etc. CLEAR SCAMMER.
B
10:24
BLOC8
@Dkong5 the URL I posted provides .cf .gq .ga .ml and .tk domains (total 60 in the dashboard) plus the 53 identical amazonaws.com sites is 113 in total. So with current dashboard it is probable one or two people are eligible for 57% of the 600,000 ICX (342,000). Suggest ICON doesn't hand over ICX to those domains until you know they are legit teams.
B
11:32
BLOC8
Are you in Kr or US?
11:35
Your server logs will have the IP addresses for the TX created by the 113 suspect SCORE's. Quite easy to check the logs on day 1 of TX processing.
B
13:51
BLOC8
So ICON paid all the teams in full. BLOC8 and others have spent a lot of time giving you the evidence and then you just ignore it.
DL
21:02
Daeki Lee
I am based in the U.S.
21:03
As I metioned in the group chat, we have reached out to those 50 suspected duplicates and told them if they don't provide KYC equivalent info, they won't be getting next week's tx reward
21:04
As much as we want to be moving as quickly as possible, everyone here has other tasks as well, and the fact that we are trying to reflect our community's feedback within 1 week shows that we are trying our best
21:04
We will continue to put our best efforts to work with the community, but there are a lot of process/steps to consider
21:05
Hope you understand we are trying our best!
B
21:05
BLOC8
But you gave them 160,000 ICX today. It was time critical.
DL
21:06
Daeki Lee
I believe the distribution process already started before we came to a conclusion that we will be requesting KYC info
21:06
Not ideal obviously
21:06
but hopefully they won't be getting tx reward next week if they are duplicates
B
21:07
BLOC8
Not much reward left now they have scammed ICON and the dev teams.
DL
21:09
Daeki Lee
yea i feel you
21:09
I wish more things were planned out originally
21:10
But hopefully we will do more of these going forward to really incentivize true developers
21:10
and we still have decent prize pool left for final winners as well
21:10
probably not the best answer you wanted
21:10
and we hope to learn from our mistakes
B
21:11
BLOC8
Some devs are saying the scammer is part of the ICON team.
21:11
Not nice.
DL
21:11
Daeki Lee
Hmm not aware of that actually
21:12
Why do people suspect that?
B
21:12
BLOC8
Because they didn't stop the scam.
21:13
You could have just held the 160K until you were sure they were legit. Simple really.
DL
21:14
Daeki Lee
I think it would have been more fair to actually hold all the tx reward in my opinion until all the scammers are figured out
21:14
but part of the community was already asking why there was a delay in tx reward
21:14
so it is hard to satisfy everyone 🙁
B
21:16
BLOC8
It would be the scammer asking for ICC so he can continue running his 114 SCORES. Anyone with a single SCORE has no problem finding 32 ICX for another day"s TX.
DL
21:18
Daeki Lee
It was actaully multiple people asking for the delay in tx reward
21:18
I have already reported 50 duplicates
21:18
Are there other for sure duplicates that you are suspecting?
B
21:20
BLOC8
Read the dev tg. It"s all in there and BLOC8 has already wasted too much time on this.
DL
21:20
Daeki Lee
ok but I think I replied last time that the other duplicates don't have clear evidence
21:20
Otherwise, we are going to have to start requesting KYC for all the projects
21:21
50 duplicates was the most common suspects that multiple people have asked ICON team so that is why we are taking the action
21:21
We will start from there
B
21:21
BLOC8
KYC is common sense for such a challenge.
21:22
Other devs also told you personally that it was 114 SCORE's.
DL
21:22
Daeki Lee
Other devs told me
21:22
there were 50 very likley duplicates
21:22
and 60 or so suspiscious accounts
B
21:23
BLOC8
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That points towards scammer being in your team.
DL
21:23
Daeki Lee
I am not quite following your logic here
B
21:24
BLOC8
Your team knows KYC is being sought so they send out ICX regardless.
DL
21:25
Daeki Lee
First of all, I think it is very rude to just assume that people at ICON are scammers without clear evidence
21:26
Second, I told you that we have discussed internally and are moving as quickly as we can with reflectig the commuity's feedback
B
21:26
BLOC8
Think you need to post an update in dev tg. I am just telling you what very respected devs are saying.
DL
21:26
Daeki Lee
I am talking to those devs separately through DMs as well, and I think they were happy with the update that we are trying to go after scammers with KYC
21:27
they also understad that these processes take time, and it was first time for ICON to host such a challenge, so there were mistakes here and there
B
21:27
BLOC8
Ok we will leave it as is for now.
DL
21:28
Daeki Lee
Yes hopefully we can provide the updates regarding KYC by the end of the week for those 50 very likely duplicates
20 June 2019
B
13:43
BLOC8
Let me know when you read this message as we need to discuss the TX challenge as a matter of urgency. Part of an email I sent in a reply to Ricky Dodds 9 June before ANY rewards had been paid out. "In recent days the team count has gone over 90. However from our basic blockchain forensic investigation it appears some teams have applied numerous times. This is clearly against the rules and we urge ICON to scrutinise the applications and blockchain activity before awarding any ICX tokens to teams that need to be disqualified."
13:44
See why we are SO ANGRY !!!!!!!!
13:46
This whole issue is making some of the BLOC8 team physically sick and all of them are very stressed out.
B
15:38
BLOC8
B
17:40
BLOC8
Do you want us to take this to wider crypto community now?
DL
17:43
Daeki Lee
In reply to this message
Sorry what is causing this specifically?
17:44
Sure I think our community knows well that ICON team is taking actions against scammers now
17:44
You can spread the words about it
B
17:45
BLOC8
We were robbed of tokens by ICON negligence or worse. Many more devs were also robbed. Take it to dev TG.